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▲Hackers hijack Egypt highway billboard and Malaysian screens to show porn (cairoreport.org)
regretsresin 11 hours ago [-]
Kind of a shitty choice. Like, I'm very much sex positive, but not everyone wants to see porn.

And you might say, "Not everyone wants to see ads!" And totally agree! But like, the people who have to look at this eyesore now have to deal with a different eyesore.

Why not, "This garbage ad remived from your view by hacking group X, you're welcome" and show some pet photos or something? Or like, get clever with it? Run onion or infowars style satire.

psdndown 10 hours ago [-]
Some societies need a good turning upside down.

Egypt is one of them. There is value in most of the value being in the shock value. Egypt has already done the sorts of things you suggest. It doesn't work. Putting up porn actually makes a lot of sense from a decision matrix perspective here. First of all despite the pretense otherwise Egyptians watch a lot of porn (like most countries). It's sort of a great "in your face" mirror to a country rife with hypocrisy.

It's not like the authorities give much breathing room for more nuanced protest anyway. They're already in for a very unwelcome visit to the slammer if they are caught. Might as well go as transgressive as possible while you still can.

za3faran 2 minutes ago [-]
Who gave you the right to decide that Egypt needs turning upside down? It seems that some people in the west cannot leave the rest of the world alone without trying to impose their values (which the rest of the world looks down upon) on others.
Freak_NL 10 hours ago [-]
If the goal is to get companies to get their security in order, than showing porn is certainly one of the most effective ways. It'll put political pressure on the company that owns the billboards, for one.

Show a cute picture of Big Bird telling people to eat more pizza, and the company will just reset some passwords. Show a couple of choice scenes from Brazzers and the CEO just got a call from a government minister and suddenly the leaky hardware is getting replaced at breakneck speeds.

Works well too if the goal is just to get people to object to digital billboards.

ryandrake 10 hours ago [-]
Yea, it's harmless, and a criticism of digital billboards, and it can't be swept under the rug by the billboard companies as if it didn't happen. Really great stunt!
nbajka 9 hours ago [-]
Showing porn to kids is harmless? Come on, let's get serious here.
ryandrake 9 hours ago [-]
Contrary to what the religious warriors claim, I can assure you nobody's head is going to explode, nobody is going to get cancer, and nobody is going to suffer psychological damage by briefly riding past these billboards. Truly, let's get serious here.
nbajka 9 hours ago [-]
Yes, I’m being serious, which is why I think showing porn to kids, even if it’s a few seconds, is really bad.
NietzscheanNull 8 hours ago [-]
Genuinely curious, as someone who was exposed to porn on several occasions as a kid (with seemingly no negative long-term consequences): what makes you think it's "really bad"?
camcil 7 hours ago [-]
You're kidding, right? Am I seeing correctly that there are multiple people on HN actively arguing against children seeing porn being a bad thing?
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rconti 5 hours ago [-]
It's like the kid hearing someone yell "fuck" at a ballgame. Just because most people in the culture might agree it's not particularly age-appropriate doesn't mean the kid's ruined.

There's a huge difference between regular exposure via neglectful or abusive parents and "oops I saw a thing". More than a few kids have "walked in" on their parents too, I assure you.

yubblegum 5 hours ago [-]
He did self diagnose as "with seemingly no negative long-term consequences".
whoanoway 27 minutes ago [-]
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yubblegum 6 hours ago [-]
Watching porn at home and not wanting to see it in public space does not make one a 'hypcrite'.

> Might as well go as transgressive as possible while you still can.

This only computes in the mind of an national adversary that wants to see a society in chaos. No one in their right mind would want to "trangress" against their own society because of some political goal. Those that do are iirc are technically in the terrorist quadrant of 'protest'.

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thinkingtoilet 10 hours ago [-]
Under no circumstances is it ok to show porn in a public setting. I say this as someone who very much enjoys porn.
gazpachotron 10 hours ago [-]
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excannuk 9 hours ago [-]
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IncreasePosts 10 hours ago [-]
Porn in the Arab world is probably going to turn already misogynistic men even more down that path. First, perhaps they can try to view women besides their mothers as humans, then we can work forward from there
Freak_NL 10 hours ago [-]
Are a few clips or screenshots shown on billboards going to influence people to that extent?
IncreasePosts 10 hours ago [-]
I'm responding to OP who is saying exposing randos in Egypt to porn is a good thing and will turn their society upside down
bongoman42 10 hours ago [-]
You have a very heteronormative view of porn. Plenty of Arab women also enjoy porn and the origin of misogyny in Arab society is way older than any kind of modern porn.
IncreasePosts 10 hours ago [-]
Where in my post did I say that Arab women don't enjoy porn?

My point is that many Arab men wont have a single meaningful interaction with a woman outside their family this year. Presenting women as sex objects to those men isn't going to have great effects. Similar to incels and porn.

TFNA 7 hours ago [-]
Men in the Arab world are already porn consumers and have been for decades. I hitchhiked around Egypt for a few weeks in 2009, and men would occasionally show off short porn vids on their Nokias or iPods. Internet cafes in the whole region would, upon request, give customers the details for connecting to a proxy to access forbidden content.

Fast forward to now, and the big porn video sites have content expressly tailored to the Arab world. Everyone has smartphones, and everybody finds some alone time to wank.

giantg2 10 hours ago [-]
Generally agree. However, I wonder if their intent was to draw attention to women's rights, or antagonize people regarding women's rights, in those nations. Porn was the wrong choice. Instead of pet photos, they could have shown women in positions of power and not wearing tradional clothes.
pitched 10 hours ago [-]
This has to be either activists or trolls and my bet is on trolls. Aiming to cause the most damage for lols.
zahrevsky 10 hours ago [-]
I guess this is done simply to grab as much of people's attention as possible. And I mean all groups of people:

– for observers on the road, make them more likely to film this and share on social media;

– for news agencies, make them allocate as much coverage as possible for this incident;

– for regular readers, simply to more likely grab theirs attention.

rconti 10 hours ago [-]
This is hilarious and harmless. Who cares?

I find it far more offensive that you wouldn't even be able to post this headline without self-censoring in the major social media apps for fear of The Algorithm. How far the internet has fallen.

rafram 10 hours ago [-]
It’s objectively not harmless, and clearly lots of people care.
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pretzellogician 10 hours ago [-]
Subjectively, yes. Not sure about objectively.
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skissane 9 hours ago [-]
> This is hilarious and harmless. Who cares?

Our daughter is 8. As her father, I’d rather she not be exposed to pornography, and I know my wife would agree with me on that. Of course, she’s sure to somehow be introduced to it eventually, but I hope not until she’s significantly older.

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aussiethebob 8 hours ago [-]
If I lived in a middle eastern nation, worrying about my daughter seeing a few seconds of porn would be so far down the list of worries I have for her that it wouldn't even register.
skissane 6 hours ago [-]
I’m not in the Middle East, but I don’t think the question of the appropriateness of displaying pornography in public places is country-dependent.
rconti 5 hours ago [-]
There's a huge difference between "appropriate" vs "harmful".
skissane 4 hours ago [-]
How do you define "harm"? I think there are reasonable definitions by which it would be considered "harm".

Many jurisdictions worldwide criminalise exposing people to pornography without their consent – see for example, Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009 section 6 [0] – and especially doing it to minors. Criminalising doing something to someone without their consent constitutes an official judgement that such an act is harmful.

[0] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2009/9/section/6

excannuk 9 hours ago [-]
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ericmay 10 hours ago [-]
> And you might say, "Not everyone wants to see ads!" And totally agree! But like, the people who have to look at this eyesore now have to deal with a different eyesore.

That’s why across the world we should ban blanket advertisements like these. They’re a dumb eyesore.

Porn just exposes what is obviously annoying. But advertisements themselves are a sort of mind-virus you can’t opt out of. I can choose to not buy cable TV. I can’t (reasonably) choose to not walk outside in the public space.

sellmesoap 10 hours ago [-]
Walk softly and carry a big EMI interference device! I'm waiting for the sci-fi utopia where the AI AR glasses replace all the physical ads with something nicer, ublock: eyes
exe34 10 hours ago [-]
It's all about consent, isn't it, we don't consent to advertising in every public space and yet we can't get away from it.
kelseyfrog 10 hours ago [-]
For it to work it has to be unpleasant. In fact, the more unpleasant it is, the more it works. It has to be more unpleasant than making the decision to remove the billboards altogether.

Showing a nice animal or a 'you're welcome' message achieves the goal of removing the ad, but falls short of fixing the root of the problem: the billboard existing. As long as it exists, the temptation and incentive to put ads on it also exists.

Havoc 10 hours ago [-]
How uncreative.

Nothing against porn, but given a platform that's what you pick to blast into the world?

TFNA 6 hours ago [-]
Even the Max Headroom hacker thought it was neat to broadcast some dominatrix (very) soft porn.
reaperducer 9 hours ago [-]
Hackers gotta hack.

We did the same thing back in the 80's.

The scenario was usually "Oh, wow! We got access! What do we do before someone notices in the next ten minutes?!"

Political people want to make statements. Hackers just want their hacks to be noticed.

Havoc 9 hours ago [-]
Yeah I sorta get it, but like idk put something like "End child hunger" on it or something...
pixl97 5 hours ago [-]
Ain't no one gonna notice. There are already ads just like that.

The thing is with ads is after seeing so many you just kind ad block them automatically.

Now when there is porn, you 100% know it's not supposed to be there.

happosai 11 hours ago [-]
An outside advertisement display in Finland was defaced recently with a certain well known image from early internet: (warning article includes blurred version of the image)

https://yle.fi/a/74-20134714

cyberpunk 10 hours ago [-]
My mind went straight to goatse and yes, it was goatse.
tclancy 10 hours ago [-]
Really? My mind went straight to Tom of Finland and was disappointed. Least it’s not Tubgirl.
zahrevsky 10 hours ago [-]
> According to Olkkonen, the light board has been broken into. It is not a hacking incident.

> – It was clear what had been done. The media player's cord had been ripped out and its own content had been played.

To me, it's more an act of vandalism than hacking.

pitched 10 hours ago [-]
Hacking in the way presented in the article is vandalism. A door being unlocked isn’t permission to enter. A lock with a flaw doesn’t mean it can be removed.
reaperducer 9 hours ago [-]
For the earliest hackers, it was all about puzzles.

In addition to computers, other common obsessions were lockpicking (mechanical computing), model railroads (electricity + switches + relays), and Chinese food menus (language skills).

pixl97 5 hours ago [-]
The plains have been settled, the pioneers are all dead.
quickthrowman 10 hours ago [-]
I don’t think I would ever stop laughing if I was driving down the highway at night and saw hello.jpg shining brightly from an LED billboard.
cowlevel 11 hours ago [-]
I've always wondered what these electronic billboards run on. Obviously I'm not going to cut one down and bring it home to study nor will I impersonate a customer to get one, so I'll never find out, but it's cool someone did manage to hack one.
vdfs 10 hours ago [-]
It's just a computer running windows + big screen + app in full-screen mode that show the images/videos on a loop and can be controlled from a central server
hard_times 11 hours ago [-]
Some version of Windows + custom software
MisterTea 10 hours ago [-]
There are a surprising number of Linux thing running webstuff likely hacked together and shipped. I find a lot of vending machine computers on eBay that boot Ubuntu or whatever and start some sort of webservice thing.
cowlevel 10 hours ago [-]
What custom software though? How does it get the data? What is it vulnerable to? What about the backend software, that's also part of the system? It's easy to say "it is hardware running software" but it obviously goes deeper than that.
pixl97 5 hours ago [-]
I mean the easiest step would be finding someone that works with the software installing them and see if they like to talk.

If you're the kind of person that's good at making relationships you might even talk them out of old or dead hardware.

cowlevel 1 hours ago [-]
How would you find someone?
tclancy 10 hours ago [-]
Hopes, dreams and FM.
Markoff 9 hours ago [-]
these hackers are most likely childless incels, no sane adult person would show such content in public setting where some 5yo can set it from car, and I have zero problem with porn

disclaimer - I enjoy porn almost on daily occasion and I have no problem with nudity, but porn certainly doesn't show natural human behavior which should be shown to little kids who don't know any better

dinkblam 11 hours ago [-]
finally!
worik 11 hours ago [-]
Good job! I despise advertising billboards.
ziiinq 10 hours ago [-]
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excannuk 9 hours ago [-]
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moniosi 10 hours ago [-]
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maximilianburke 10 hours ago [-]
What do you mean by the use of the triple parentheses?
moniosi 10 hours ago [-]
electromagnetic wavefront of course
throwup238 11 hours ago [-]
One man’s hacker is another man’s sexual freedom fighter.

I wonder how this goes over in conservative countries like Egypt. Is it a scandal of some sort with ample pearl clutching or is it mostly a non-event?

zkmon 10 hours ago [-]
You wanted speed and connectedness every where. Speed by automating the intelligence, speed of payment transactions, high-speed trains ... Result? The speed of hacking everywhere, speed of $6B vanishing in 20 minutes and speed at which things going wrong.

None of these would happen in places that are not invaded by speed of technology and connectedness. Slow is good, not sometimes, but always. Human life is not compatible with things moving at speed of electricity.

But you gave the controlling power to children. The children with science toys want more and more speed, just for fun and profit. They, unfortunately, control the future of human race.

odo1242 10 hours ago [-]
To be fair, both high speed trains and planes are very safe forms of transportation, with deaths numbering in less than 1000 per year.

Currently the yearly global death toll for cars is at 1.16 million and climbing

reaperducer 10 hours ago [-]
with deaths numbering in less than 1000 per year.

Well, that's OK, then.

What is the exact number when it's no longer acceptable? Is is 1,001? 10,001?

Exactly how many deaths are perfectly fine in the name of progress? How many people are we allowed to kill for the sake of convenience?

Currently the yearly global death toll for cars is at 1.16 million and climbing

No need to compare. Both can be bad at the same time.

odo1242 9 hours ago [-]
I’m just pointing out that you chose to omit the one that’s over a thousand times worse and accounts for >99% of the “bad” overall.

Traveling the same distance without rail or air (i.e. on foot, horse, car) is also relatively deadly and the alternative (of living in small communities and not traveling long distances) is also not great for multiple reasons

derektank 9 hours ago [-]
> What is the exact number when it's no longer acceptable?

You’d have to calculate how many lives speed saves. How many people had an organ delivered just within the safe transplant time? How many people were able to eat because a grain shipment could be diverted after a bad harvest? How many people didn’t contract cholera, because it takes minutes to manufacture pipes?

UltraSane 10 hours ago [-]
That speed and connectedness increases GDP by vastly more though.
reaperducer 9 hours ago [-]
That speed and connectedness increases GDP by vastly more though.

Translation: Money is more important than human lives.

Got it.

derektank 9 hours ago [-]
Money makes it possible for people to afford food and healthcare
cowlevel 9 hours ago [-]
Technically incorrect. Food and healthcare are food and healthcare. In an apocalypse you have food if you have food and you don't have food if you only have money. To make your statement work we need to introduce additional assumptions.
UltraSane 6 hours ago [-]
Wealth allows for MORE food to be produced and healthcare to be provided.
cowlevel 1 hours ago [-]
Now that's a nonsensical statement if I ever saw one. A stockpile of velvet curtains does not allow more food to be produced.
reaperducer 10 hours ago [-]
Slow is good, not sometimes, but always.

Ask any cowboy. The fastest way to move a cow is slow.

ericmay 10 hours ago [-]
Easy to say when you’re not, oh idk, waiting on a helicopter to deliver a life-saving organ transplant, or freezing your bones off because you don’t have electric heat.

The trade-offs are worth it and humankind continues to accept those trade-offs. Yea 60+ people died in a train crash. So what? Tens of millions ride high-speed trains on a weekly/monthly basis without any issues. So why would we overreact to anomalies when by and large the technologies we’ve invented are pretty awesome?

I’m no opponent to the “slow life” and I have a lot of critical comments regarding modernity (cars, social media, modernist art) and overpopulation but we don’t need to throw the baby out with the bath water here.

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